Talk:Nepotism

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Better source needed

User:AncapOgre I have added a Better source needed tag, as I said I would above (and to which you didn't object). This is a maintenance tag which will let others know that we are on the look out for a better source because we really need a better one than twitter in the long run (see WP:RSPTWITTER). Again, I am not advocating it's removal only making it clear to others that their is room for improvement in sourcing.

Please discuss here first before reverting. Tank you Cakelot1 (talk) 17:10, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also regarding the assertion that "The source shows the mentioned person directly responding to nepotism accusations with their personal social media account that they run themselves. That clerly ought to be sufficient source that accusations against them exist.", no the source isn't really sufficient. Wikipedia ideally needs 3rd party sources (see WP:INDEPENDENT) to prevent us from inserting our own analysis of the topic (which is not allowed under WP:OR). A better source is needed, although the twitter post is acceptable for now, until a better source can be found (which is what the tag is saying). Cakelot1 (talk) 17:28, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very rich of you to ask for discussion before making changes, when you were the one who started this debacle by removing whole paragraphs without starting any discussions. As for the question at hand, any other source would simply cite Hasan Piker themselves, as is the case in news articles for other individuals in that short list. Wiki would be citing an article citing a tweet, instead of citing a tweet. If you somehow believe that is superior, then do as you wish. I'm not going to police this wiki page.--AncapOgre (talk) 17:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I engaged in WP:BRD, standard practice as has been pointed out before. As for the tag, and if others want more explanation, wikipedia's policy is citing 3rd party sources and any such source wouldn't just be printing this tweet (that's more WP:PRIMARY) it would be saying that others have called him Nepotistic. At current we are interpreting that's what the tweet means, which I think is a form WP:OR. Again this is only maintenance tag much like a ^{[citation needed]} and is about letting others know that there is still work to do. Cakelot1 (talk) 18:05, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I want to second @Cakelot1. A tweet is a primary source, which really isn't good practice for WP:BLP. The question is not just whether Piker has ever been accused of nepotism, but whether those accusations are notable. People make vague spurious accusations against public figures all the time. We should not be in the habit of repeating those accusations unless they're relevant enough that reliable sources are covering them. Of the universe (talk) 04:22, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to remove the statement about Piker because the source does not live up to WP:BLP standards, but I will wait for others to weigh in. Of the universe (talk) 04:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I Would support it's removal for the reason I mentioned before. I think I gave up on it last because I was tired of other editors calling my motives in to question, but looking back I probably should have pushed harder to get it removed.

I agree with everything that you said, Of the universe, and concur this seems like a BLP violation and should be removed. However, I'm going to ping @AncapOgre to see if they have anything to add, as they were the editor most set against it before. Cakelot1 (talk) 10:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've washed my hands of this topic. As per my last communication on this page, "do as you wish".--AncapOgre (talk) 10:20, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's frankly irrelevant whether he admits to it or not. This isn't a list of every single person in history who got a job from a family member. I question whether this article needs examples at all, but if there are going to be examples, they should be top-level government officials, not random TV show interns. Wikipedia is not platform for public shaming. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:48, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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